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24-Jun-2007 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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DORAN : DOYLE : GORMAN : HILTON : POMFRET | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Dear HELPERS! My GG Grandfather MICHAEL GORMAN, the son of STEPHEN GORMAN, died of typhoid fever at the Wigan Union Workhouse, Wigan, Lancashire, England on 3 March 1878. He was only 25. If his age at the time of his death is correct, MICHAEL GORMAN was born ± 1853. His wife, MARGARET DORAN, signed the death certificate, No. 442, with her “X” and it was registered 4 March 1878 by Robert Halliwell, Registrar: Wigan: Volume 8c Page 37. I have a copy of this death certificate. At the time of his death he gave his address as 22 Victoria Street, Wigan. He married MARGARET DORAN (1853-1923), daughter of MICHAEL DORAN and MARY GORE, at St. Joseph's Catholic Church, Wigan on 7 November 1875. The marriage certificate of MARGARET DORAN and MICHAEL GORMAN reads: "Married (7 November 1875) in the St. Joseph's Church, according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Catholic Church by Certificate by HENRY J. LAMON. Witnesses GEORGE DALY and ALICE DORAN (Margaret's sister). JAMES JOLLEY, Registrar” MICHAEL GORMAN signed his own name and MARGARET DORAN signed with her "X". GEORGE DALY signed his own name and ALICE DORAN signed with her "X". The marriage certificate states that: MICHAEL GORMAN was 23, Bachelor, Coal Miner, residence: Queens Hotel Yard, Wallgate, Wigan. Father: STEPHEN GORMAN, Laborer. MARGARET DORAN was 24, Spinster, Cotton Factory Worker, residence: Miry Lane, Wigan. Father: MICHAEL DORAN, Colliery Laborer The marriage record of Michael Gorman and Margaret Doran can be found in the GRO Index: Wigan 8c 152 and also at the Wigan & Leigh Register: ROW/41/198. I have a copy of the marriage certificate. MICHAEL GORMAN and MARGARET DORAN had one son: STEPHEN GORMAN, born 20 June 1878 at Wigan. I had no success trying to find the birth record of STEPHEN GORMAN until I discovered that STEPHEN GORMAN was registered as MICHAEL GORMAN! Later his mother (or he himself) changed his name to STEPHEN GORMAN. This was never done legally. It just happened. I don't know why this happened except that his mother gave birth to him on 20 June 1878 just 3 months after his father died on 3 March 1878. She decided to register him after his recently deceased father, MICHAEL GORMAN. By later changing his name to STEPHEN GORMAN he was following the Irish naming pattern, i.e., the first born male is named after the paternal grandfather. In this case, his grandfather was named STEPHEN GORMAN (as was indicated on the marriage certificate of his parents). With regard to MARGARET DORAN (1853-1923): There are two 1853 birth records in Wigan for MARGARET DORAN: Wigan & Leigh Register: WIG/48/420 (June) and MARGARET DORAN, Wigan & Leigh Register: WIG/38/5 1853 (September). According to the 1861 UK Census MARGARET DORAN lived with her family at 22 John Street, Scholes, Wigan: Michael Doran, 35, born Ireland, Factory Operative Mary, 30, wife, born Ireland, Factory Operative David, Son, 10, born Wigan, Factory Operative Margaret, Daughter, 8, born Wigan Alice, Daughter, 6, born Wigan Catherine, Daughter, 2, born Wigan. (Another son, Michael, died shortly after birth 25 May 1858). According to the 1871 UK Census MARGARET DORAN lived with her family at 4 Waddingstons Buildings, Queen Street, Wigan: Michael Doran, 47, Stripper & Grinder, Cotton Mill, b. Ireland Mary Doran, 46, b. Wigan, Lancashire Margaret Doran, 18, Throstle Spinner, Cotton Mill, b. Wigan, Lancashire Alice Doran, 14, Throstle Spinner, Cotton Mill, b. Wigan, Lancashire Catherine Doran, 12, Cardroom Hand, Cotton Mill, b. Wigan, Lancashire John Doran, 9, Scholar, b. Wigan, Lancashire Mary Doran, 6, Scholar, b. Wigan, Lancashire After MICHAEL GORMAN died, MARGARET DORAN and her son MICHAEL (STEPHEN) GORMAN moved back to the home of her parents MICHAEL DORAN and MARY GORE. According to the 1881 UK Census, after the death of her husband, MICHAEL GORMAN, MARGARET DORAN moved back to her father's house at 12 Farriminch Row, Wigan: Michael Doran, Head, age 56, Labourer, born Ireland Mary Doran, Wife, age 57, born Wigan, Lancashire Alice Doran, Dau., age 25, Cotton Operative, born Wigan Catherine Doran, Dau., age 22, Cotton Operative, born Wigan John Doran, Son, age 19, Cotton Operative, born Wigan Mary Doran, Dau., age 16, Cotton Operative, born Wigan Margaret Gorman, Dau., age 25, Cotton Operative, born Wigan Stephen Gorman, age 2, Grandson MARGARET DORAN married a second time to THOMAS DOYLE on 21 January 1882, again at St. Joseph's Catholic Church, Wigan. This marriage is recorded at GRO: 8C 125 and at Wigan-Leigh registry: ROW/55/5. Witnesses: John Melling and Catherine Welding, Priest: Edward Grennan. Registrar: James Jolley. THOMAS DOYLE was 36 and a widower. He lived at 31 Clayton Street, Wigan. He was an Overlooker in a Cotton factory. MARGARET DORAN-GORMAN was 30 and a widow. She lived at Farriminch Row, Wallgate, Wigan. She was a Cotton factory worker. MARGARET DORAN and THOMAS DOYLE had one known child: THOMAS DOYLE (b. 1882: WIgan) According to the 1891 UK Census, MARGARET DORAN-GORMAN-DOYLE and her two children, STEPHEN GORMAN AND THOMAS DOYLE lived in a two room flat at 9 Wallgate (Big Lamp), Wigan. Her second husband, THOMAS DOYLE died 12 March 1886 at the age of 40. Margaret was a widow for the second time. Her marriage to THOMAS DOYLE lasted 3 years and 10 months. MARGARET DORAN and THOMAS DOYLE had two children: THOMAS DOYLE, born 1882 and JOHN DOYLE, born 1886, the year his father died! According to the 1891 UK Census, JOHN DOYLE, age 4, may have gone to live with his mother's sister, CATHERINE DORAN who was married to MARK KEILTY (or other spellings, maybe KELLY). They lived at 44 Adeleade Street, Wigan. According to the 1901 UK Census, MARGARET DORAN-GORMAN-DOYLE lived at 25 Lyons Street, Wigan with her sons THOMAS DOYLE, 19, Colliery Spinner and JOHN DOYLE, age 7. THOMAS DOYLE, SR., died in 1886, so how could JOHN DOYLE, age 7, be his son if JOHN DOYLE was born ± 1894? This must be a transcription error. MARGARET DORAN died 27 July 1923 and is buried in the Wigan Cemetery, Lower Ince. (I need to verify if this is our MARGARET DORAN!) With regard to MICHAEL GORMAN: There are no births recorded in Wigan for a MICHAEL GORMAN from 1845-1855. There are, however, two births for MICHAEL GORMAN near Wigan but NOT in 1853. They are recorded in 1851 and 1855 in Ashton. I believe Ashton is an alternative name for Ashton- under-Lyne and it spans the boundaries of the counties of Cheshire and Lancashire: Births Sep 1851: Gorman Michael Ashton XX 67 Births Sep 1855 Gorman Michael Ashton 8d 352 There is one birth for a MICHAEL GORMAN recorded in Liverpool in 1852, one in 1853, and two births in 1855 ... but none of these births state the father is STEPHEN GORMAN. STEPHEN GORMAN was the name MICHAEL GORMAN gave for his father at the time of his marriage to MARGARET DORAN on 7 November 1875. QUESTIONS: 1. CAN SOMEONE FIND THE BIRTH RECORD OF MICHAEL GORMAN ± 1853? 2. CAN SOMEONE FIND MICHAEL GORMAN ON THE 1861 AND 1871 UK CENSUS? 3. CAN SOMEONE FIND THE BIRTH, MARRIAGE OR DEATH RECORD OF STEPHEN GORMAN, THE FATHER OF MICHAEL GORMAN? 4. CAN SOMEONE FIND THE ABOVE STEPHEN GORMAN ON ANY UK CENSUS? Thanks a million for your help, BILL DORGAN P.S. I hope I can tear down this brick wall but I am beginning to suspect that MICHAEL GORMAN (1853-1878) and his father, STEPHEN GORMAN, may have been born in Ireland. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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